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From Pandemic-Escapist Comfort to Hopelessly Bleak Asininity: Do We Need Outer Banks Season 5?

Unless you’ve been under a rock, you know that Outer Banks delivered one hell of a cliffhanger by the end of Outer Banks Season 4, and to say people aren’t pleased would be an understatement.

No, we’re still not over the decision to write out JJ Maybank, the Pogue Prince, if you will, and we never will be.

And the way they opted to do so has been so asinine that it’s left many of us wondering if we even need a fifth and final season of one of our favorite series.

Outer Banks cast featuring the Pogues.
(Courtesy of Netflix)

Here’s the thing: there is a reason why Outer Banks catapulted to acclaim as it did, despite serving as some random teen series with virtually unknown talent that appealed to people of all ages and walks of life.

Outer Banks had the fortune of premiering at the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The entire world seemed to shut down in an unprecedented manner, like something from a horror movie or post-apocalyptic series.

The US shut everything down on March 15, 2020, and approximately one month later, this delightfully beachy escapist series premiered on April 15.

One month in, we were all trapped in the house, some of us climbing up the walls, bingeing through everything that every streamer had to offer, longing for any sense of escapism or connection.

Friends on a Boat - Outer Banks Season 1
(Courtesy of Netflix)

And we found it in this little series that featured a diverse group of teenagers from the Outer Banks community where differences were stark but freaking friendship overcame everything.

With its dusky orange and yellow filtered shots, we could escape to the beach and lose ourselves in the setting of warm sand, cool waters, and what appeared to have been the finest of weed.

We won’t judge you for your recreational vices, especially during that particular time.

We always discuss escapist television and the longing for it so much that it hurts.

For the past decade and a half, far too many series and just television as a medium shifted away from the type of lighter fare and exciting, fun stories in favor of darkness, grit, and morally ambiguous or depraved characters and storytelling.

Carlacia Grant as Cleo, Rudy Pankow as JJ, Jonathan Daviss as Pope in Outer Banks Season 4 Episode 1.
( Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix)

To say that Outer Banks was a breath of fresh air would be the understatement of the century.

It was quite literally like a breath of fresh air, our connection to the world that we once knew, access to the type of lifestyle and adventure that we aspired and longed for from the confinement of our rooms, or worn in couches.

We didn’t have to tune into every press conference or daily update about the state of a deadly virus sweeping across the globe, nor did we have to scroll on our phones to see worn-out first responders crying or an endless list of names belonging to those who had succumb to something we still didn’t fully understand.

Instead, we had John B narrating what felt like an exceptionally simplistic life with his close friends and the promises of an adventure.

John B Glow - Outer Banks S03
(Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix)

As some mysterious virus ravaged its way through the globe, it was one of the few times when we all felt like the underdogs.

After all, it didn’t discriminate nor distinguish between race, gender, age, nationality, or socioeconomic status.

So when Netflix dangled a lifeline to viewers in the form of impossibly pretty teenagers seeking adventure while simultaneously bucking against a system, socioeconomic and class structure that kept them down, it didn’t matter who you were or where you came from—we were all Pogues.

Outer Banks was strangely hopeful despite depicting one of the few consistent explorations of power, caste, and class disenfranchisement we’ve seen on television in a while.

Ward Steps Off Plane - Outer Banks S03E06
(Jackson Lee Davis/Netfli)

We’ve already delved into the lack of Working-Class Heroes on television and how an obsession with family dynasties like Succession‘s Roys and Yellowstone‘s Duttons has dominated and surpassed the standard upper-middle-class suburban status of nearly every “normal” character on television.

Somehow, Outer Banks balanced this focus on the perpetually poor and disenfranchised by highlighting the “against all odds” spirit of its primary characters.

Yeah, Pope, John B, and JJ constantly had run-ins with the douchey Kooks, resulting in physical altercations and child’s play foolery. Still, the Pogues always persevered through the power of found family, optimism, and profound love.

Outer Banks’ friendship and the Pogues’ inability to stay down and out for long propelled the series forward and contributed to its popularity and appeal to the audience at large.

Pogue Fun in the Ocean - Outer Banks S0301 (Tall)
(Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix)

We kept coming back because regardless of how absurd the plot points and just how often the Pogues would come close to winning it all only for treasures, security, and whatever else to slip through their fingertips, the Pogues’ indefatigable spirit was inspiring and that friendship was everything.

The “realism” of Outer Banks stopped at the class divide as a jumping-off point for so many plots.

We had poor teenagers globe-trotting in search of treasure without even two nickels to rub together, let alone passports.

They’ve each defied death a half-dozen times, and we went along with that because the Pogues are distinctly human and compelling characters, but this simply never was the type of show in which the Pogues died.

We were okay with that—this unspoken agreement.

Welcome to Poguelandia - Outer Banks
(Netflix)

It didn’t matter that they routinely cheated death; this was simply a byproduct of a silly little treasure-hunting show that never pretended to be a prestigious piece where all the plots made sense.

Most of Outer Banks’ plots are ridiculous, but that is part of the show’s charm.

It’s what it promised to be when it crashed into our lives like the perfect surf swell in the middle of a pandemic, operating on pure vibes and cast chemistry.

With its instant success, it was abundantly clear what worked about the series, why the audience responded so well, and the pathway toward appeasement.

It’s the unspoken contract, if you will, between viewers and creators, part of the copacetic relationship that makes the entire process work.

A New Pairing - Outer Banks
(Netflix)

Outer Banks was never devoid of darkness: it has so many murders that it could compete with your average procedural.

John B’s displacement as an unhoused orphan on the wrong side of the tracks could get incredibly bleak, right along with his various near-death experiences.

JJ’s backstory, both the original and whatever the hell this revamped one is, was tragic but also so real.

JJ Maybank joins the ranks of coveted teen heartthrob characters from poor backgrounds who thrive against all odds and provide hope.

Chase Stokes as John B, Rudy Pankow as JJ in episode 401 of Outer Banks.
(Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix)

Think of the Shawn Hunters, Pacey Witters, Tim Riggins, and Ryan Atwoods.

For many of us Millennials, our teen-based stories were riddled with them, and we cherished each one.

They had universal appeal, notably because, among a sea of characters who probably came from stable means, these characters resonated the most across the board, regardless of one’s walk in life.

Pope Heyward is perfectly representative of the “great hope” character on whom everyone pins their hopes and dreams—the one with a real shot of breaking through the barriers and actually ascending in the “pull yourselves up by your bootstraps” American dream history has sold us on for centuries.

These were all characters who truly embodied the “underdog” status, and thus, every win was our own, and every loss sliced through us as if they were our own loved ones.

John B and Sarah - Outer Banks S03E01 (Tall)
(Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix)

Despite the tumultuous times with them all, they were always fun to watch because there was a comfort in these characters daring to dream, being bold, taking risks, and being themselves unapologetically while navigating a world hellbent on beating them down.

That’s why Outer Banks was always innately comforting and hopeful, even when storylines and plots became dark.

But then the series lost sight of that.

Never actually giving the Pogues a win until the end of Outer Banks Season 3 was particularly hard to process.

Maybe it was realistic that life constantly dealt the Pogues shitty cards, and no matter how hard they tried, they could never find their footing or a moment’s peace.

A Big Loss - Outer Banks Season 2 Episode 1
(Netflix)

At some point, the relentless beating down of the characters showed that the series strayed from its premise and positive messaging.

By season three, trauma dumping on each character practically became an Olympic sport.

John B wrongfully going to jail and standing trial became finding out his father was actually alive and relatively crappy before dying.

Sarah’s “wrong side of the tracks” love story with John B eventually becomes a horrific house of horrors situation pulled from a V.C. Andrews novel.

The men in her life heap unspeakable traumas upon her that she merely takes and carries unresolved.

Searching for Meaning - Outer Banks
(Netflix)

Pope’s aspirations go up in smoke time and again as his career desires slip between his fingers right along with his family’s legacy treasure in a world where wealthy, White elites steal and profit off the pain of the disenfranchised.

We saw a spirited Kiara cast away to a horrifying reform school; you know, the type full documentaries are made about because of the longstanding abuse of children and teens deemed a problem.

And things were no better when her parents disowned her.

Then there’s JJ, who had so many atrocities stacked against him; it’s why his eventual fate still reverberates across the internet as fans of all ages ask the same question over and over again: Why?

Let it burn. JJ sets the city on fire.
(Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix)

Imagine for a second if Boy Meets World killed Shawn Hunter.

I’m not the most tapped into all things Gen Z, but I know that losing JJ is the equivalent of that.

And while there is plenty of beef for how showrunners handled Shawn Hunter across two series (including a mishandled ship; the Shawngela to Jiara pipeline is real), at least there was enough cognizance of the audience to know that killing him wouldn’t fly.

There’s a reason why JJ Maybank was the heart of Outer Banks.

The series understood this enough even to reference him as the “Poguest Pogue.”

JJ places his bets.
(Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix)

He represented the rose that grew from the concrete, an irrepressible spirit who could never get counted down or out.

JJ is emblematic of the hope that one’s circumstances or how much life could be stacked against a person didn’t matter; life was still worth living.

Even as the walls were closing in, the world could still be one’s oyster, and there was a silver lining: one could overcome one’s circumstance, find love, friendship, and happiness, and still thrive.

With JJ, there was a sign that one still has a shot when everything around them seems bleak or tragic.

It embodies the message Outer Banks sold us on when it became a comfort show amid a pandemic and created comfort characters like the Pogues who resonated and inspired.

Pogue Hug - Outer Banks S03E02 (Tall)
(Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix)

And then they went back on it; for what? Kicks, shocks, thrills?

Was it some misguided attempt to be something other than what it was, screwing up a good thing rather than sticking to what works?

We’ve seen live and in living color that the JJs of the world, more often than not, end up in a jail cell, a grave, or trapped in a cycle of poverty and generational trauma.

What does it say that even on a series that presents Outer Banks as “paradise on Earth,” the JJs meet the same fate in fiction, too?

Holding On - Outer Banks
(Courtesy of Netflix)

Have things become so dire that we can’t hope or escape anymore?

Considering how challenging Outer Banks Season 4 was well before that tragic cliffhanger ending, is it safe to say that they should’ve left things with Outer Banks Season 3’s finale?

We had a time jump, the Pogues finally getting a treasure (meager amount undisclosed), friendship, happiness, love for all, and the promise of more adventure.

If we’d rather they had suspended the Pogues in time at that moment instead of setting up a fifth and final season of vengeance, trauma, and grief, then Outer Banks’ final season has its work cut out for it.

Kie Swears revenge.
(Netflix/Screenshot)

We got a fifth and final season to say goodbye to the remainder of these characters and this comfort show.

Unfortunately, it comes at a cost the audience never wanted to pay, and the series simply can’t handle.

Over to you, OBX Fanatics.

Will You Be Tuning in for Outer Banks Season 5?
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How do you feel about Outer Banks now?

Will you be returning for the fifth and final season?

Do you think Outer Banks lost sight of its premise?

Sound off below and let’s discuss it all.

Kalina

Thursday 21st of November 2024

Wow, thank you for expressing my thoughts exactly about this season! I discovered this show a couple of months ago when my life was a bit too rough, enjoyed it for what it was (not caring even a little bit about all the supposed actor drama), and was anticipating the same fun experience with Season 4... and then we got this mess of a season.

I don’t remember ever being so annoyed by the writing on a TV show—ever. It literally ruined my day with its writing choices. Since I’m a writer who apparently needs therapy after this, I decided to break everything down in detail to understand why it left such a bad taste in my mouth.

I think a lot of people liked this season because they were blinded by the amazing cinematography and Rudy’s fantastic acting. I’d even go as far as to say that the writing completely ruined the show. For a while, OBX was amazing at what it did—it was a perfect, slightly ridiculous, fun teen adventure show with some truly great themes such as the exploration of class dynamics and power as you pointed out (it also reminded me so much of the novels by Jules Verne and Robert Louis Stevenson I loved as a kid). It was also heavily character-centric—like Friends with treasure hunting and wild plot twists—and that’s what made it so addictive and rewatchable. But now, I’m starting to suspect that the writers never actually saw it that way and took it a little too seriously.

For one, in Season 3, they seemed to be most proud of the final episode, which, in my opinion, was the weakest link and highlighted the worst aspects of their writing. They leaned into those elements so heavily in Season 4 that they completely lost sight of what the show was supposed to be about—namely, a bunch of social outcasts with golden hearts who refuse to fit in and triumph against all odds. In the process, they ruined the arcs of JJ and Kiara, who were basically the heart and soul of this show, both together and separately. That’s why so many of their interactions feel awkward and strange this season.

More than that, I’m starting to think it was all intentional. I’m pretty sure at this point that Jiara was the very thing that prolonged JJ’s life on this show—otherwise, he would’ve been killed off much, much sooner. Unfortunately, there are hints throughout the show that the writers always saw this character (one of the best-written and fascinating working-class characters) more as a plot device, meant to constantly add drama and shock value. The relationship with Kie, which inevitably spurred further growth for him, added unexpected depth to his character. But instead of building on that, the writers squandered the potential because it didn’t fit their vision for the story (if it even exists, I'm not sure about this one at this point).

If JJ was supposed to have normal character growth, I barely recognize him from previous seasons. In Seasons 1-3, despite all his antics, he often acted like a more emotionally intelligent and mature person than John B or even Pope. Up until this point, he’d been learning to open up more emotionally (Season 1), realized he had a real family after all, even after being dealt a bad hand in life (Season 2), and finally, after some confusion, saw that he actually had a chance at growing into an adult, being in a stable relationship, and doing something with his life (Season 3). But in Season 4, the writers decide to kill him off (maybe they saw him as the “Peter Pan” of Poguelandia, never destined to grow up). They threw away all of his character development in one fell swoop, which is why so many viewers were frustrated with him this season.

So we find out that, even in the time between seasons, being with Kiara and having his friends as a support system, JJ hasn’t learned a single thing. It’s slightly ridiculous from a writing standpoint, unless the main purpose was to stunt his growth so he makes the same mistakes again and again, ultimately leading to his death. So we get JJ as a ridiculously immature and self-destructive "Joker" archetype and an uncharacteristically weak, diluted version of Kiara, who’s constantly forced to follow his antics on his path of self-destruction. This leads to one of the most ridiculous scenes of the season: JJ drinking on the boat and acting out while Kiara just stands by as if he doesn’t exist. Not only is it unconvincing for an 18-month-long relationship, but it’s also hard to picture the old Kiara watching him do this.

The problem is that what was unfolding organically as great foundations for further character development, healing, and growth (which a lot of fans picked up on) was seen by the writers as mere stepping stones in the grand architecture of the story they had in mind all along. And don’t even get me started on the tone-deafness (Pope pushing a police officer, Sarah getting pregnant, you name it) and the improbable number of near-deaths and coincidences, especially in the final episodes: almost drowning once, then nearly drowning again, then dying from a stab wound shortly after? It’s soooo over-the-top, even for this show. It feels like the writers crammed all of this in just to make JJ’s death feel inevitable and force a message about loyalty and friendship that ultimately feels chillingly hollow. It’s like I’ve watched a weird OBX spin-off about a character going dark, with soap-opera levels of implausibility.

Another reason why so many fans are losing their minds is that, whatever the intent, there's nothing beautiful, meaningful, or satisfying about the ending for this character. The writers put JJ through the wringer for nearly three seasons, using his family history and complex, unconventional personality as sources of endless struggle, give him a brief respite, ten minutes of happiness, then trap him with his past once again, torture him further, and finally kill him in the most random, meaningless way possible. It’s like watching a crime documentary where someone’s loved one is randomly killed by a psychopath. And then, it’s like the writers are gaslighting us, suggesting that this character “had it coming” because of who he was. His genes and upbringing sealed his fate forever, and we should be happy that he at least got to have great friends, some exciting adventures for a while, and die in his girlfriend's arms. The whole approach feels revolting and hollow, as if it were written from the cynical perspective of Groff, who indeed might see the world that way. It’s just wrong.

At this point, the show feels too far gone. The high stakes are getting some praise, but the final season feels way too predictable. Over-the-top action, revenge, drama, and sad reflections on JJ’s greatness when he was alive—none of that can mask the obvious. The Pogues will probably kill or capture Groff, John B and Sarah will name their baby JJ, and almost everyone will get a happy ending (depending on who survives). It’s all just… boring. But what about those miraculous, unexplained events—like that lady healing with a magical cloth?! After all the preposterous twists this show has thrown at us, is this really all we get?

Honestly, if I were advising the writers, I’d tell them to embrace the absurdity and go full Riverdale. The show has always hinted at curses, miracles, signs, and bizarre coincidences. Even JJ’s death fits that vibe—he was cursed as Genrette, remember? Lean into it! Make the curse real and break it. JJ, a character who constantly sees himself as worthless and only valuable in self-sacrifice, deserves a truly epic, dramatic win. Go big or go home. It would be ridiculous, sure—but it wouldn’t be boring.

If they need inspiration, they could look to Lars von Trier’s Dogville, where the protagonist, after relentless suffering, gets a deeply satisfying, over-the-top victory with a plot twist that doesn't make any sense if you think about it for a minute. Or Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End, where the crew literally ventures into the underworld. Let the Pogues do the same! Why not?

And speaking of tone-deaf ideas, the talk about exploring Kiara and Rafe’s relationship is just… no. If they’re going there, I demand a storyline where JJ rises from the depths of the underworld to stop it from happening. That’s the only acceptable outcome. This show has always been a fairy tale—quirky and slightly ridiculous. It’s time they fully embraced that. I'm really curious about season 5 from a purely writing standpoint (I'm still racking my brain over this plot) in my mind, but this series has officially ended with that scene in season 4 part 1 where they're all together in Poguelandia 2.0., and JJ is dancing on the pier...

Kalina

Sunday 24th of November 2024

@Jasmine Blu, Also, maybe I'm reading into it too much, but I recently remembered what literary character JJ strongly reminds me of... I don't even think that the writers read this book, but still! He reminds me of Till Eulenspiegel from The Legend of Thyl Ulenspiegel and Lamme Goedzak by Charles De Coster.

Thyl Uilenspiegel is from a poor family in Flanders, which is under an oppressive occupation by the Spanish during the 16th century. He's a typical trickster—naughty, unruly, and unable to have a regular profession because he does stupid things all the time. He spends most of his time playing tricks and practical jokes, especially on corrupt Catholic priests. Later, after having a lot of adventures in other countries, he returns home and becomes a rebel and a folk hero of resistance.

Here’s the book's conclusion: "Thyl and his beloved Nele experience at night a magical vision, with mythical beings uttering to them a prophecy about a future time of reconciliation between North and South (i.e., what would become The Netherlands and Belgium)." At the time, these two regions were united under Spanish rule but divided culturally and religiously. Eventually, the Protestant-dominated North became the independent Netherlands, while the Catholic South remained under Spanish control and later became Belgium. In the story, the prophecy symbolizes a hopeful vision of unity between these regions.

"In the aftermath of the vision, Uilenspiegel lies cold and unmoving, as if dead. The grieving Nele gets him buried, and a Catholic priest gloats, “Uilenspiegel, the Great Geuze, is dead!” when suddenly the sandy grave is heaving, and Uilenspiegel emerges alive and hale. He declares that the spirit of Flanders cannot be buried by anyone, and he departs with Nele, singing, towards new adventures."

When you wrote about JJ being immortalized as a hero of the Outer Banks, I got reminded of this ending! Pogues never die, after all. :D

Kalina

Saturday 23rd of November 2024

@Jasmine Blu, Thank you so much for such an interesting discussion and the insightful analysis in your articles!😊 I'm one of those people with eclectic tastes who takes their beloved comfort shows seriously and loves deeply analyzing stuff that others might not consider "serious" or "deep" enough to merit such an analysis. 😄

I really like the idea of JJ becoming a symbol for the community (while also kinda delusionally hoping that magical crown will come into play somehow after all 😄), but, again, I’m pretty skeptical that even this storytelling route could salvage season 5 because the groundwork just isn’t there.

I feel that the story up to this point hasn’t made it feel earned. By keeping all the Pogues alive—the strongest aspect of the show, its characters—they could have told a much better story. Instead, they chose to lean into more drama over the simple, magical character moments that made this show popular in the first place.

One of the reasons JJ's death falls flat is the lack of groundwork to make this story truly meaningful. The show has never fully immersed us in the world of the Outer Banks as a community. It glosses over the lives of its residents, their relationships, and the unique tensions that could make the setting feel alive. I can't help but compare this to Reservation Dogs, which I recently started watching (and madly fell in love with already). I was struck by the many parallels with Outer Banks and the fact that it seems to follow the exact route I, as an annoyed writer and cinephile, invented in my head for OBX.

What starts in Reservation Dogs as a dark comedy-drama about mischievous teens whose only goal is to run away evolves into a love letter to their community. It’s an exploration of friendship, grief, and their unique struggles, all with a little touch of magic, too! Imagine if Outer Banks had done the same! Season 4’s story could have simply revolved around a long, tedious judicial process tied to their property, without any weird paternity storylines. Like we've discussed before, through that, the Pogues could learn to fight for what’s right in their community, drawing on all the help they can muster, instead of running from their problems for these globe-trotting adventures.

In doing so, they would finally grow up and come into their own. Like Kendrick Lamar says in To Pimp a Butterfly: “The evils of Lucy was all around me. So I went running for answers. Until I came home.” But that would have been a completely different show.

Unfortunately, with Outer Banks (which will always be one of my favourite comfort shows), we’re left with a show that only scratches the surface. I'm afraid that much of season 5 will focus on resolving lingering arcs rather than exploring the very place it’s named after, and that’s a shame. It’s a lost opportunity to turn the Outer Banks into more than a backdrop—a living, breathing character of its own.

In this regard, other than Reservation Dogs, which so meticulously and lovingly builds its own world, I'm also thinking about The Expanse, my favorite TV series ever.

The creators of The Expanse were brave enough to sacrifice pace and momentum in season 1 to craft this complicated world of the future in as much detail as possible. And it paid off in later seasons. That world felt so lived-in, so real, that it didn’t seem like a figment of imagination—it felt like a prediction of humanity’s future. It’s that kind of groundwork that makes emotional moments land, because they’re rooted in a world that feels tangible, one you’re deeply invested in.

What makes me especially pessimistic about season 5 is this interview for Cosmopolitan (‘Outer Banks’ Season 4 Finale: The Showrunners Explain What That Finale Death Means for Kiara - https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/a62867070/outer-banks-season-4-finale-death-interview/). The showrunners’ comments reflect an almost light-hearted attitude toward turning JJ's arc into a traumafest purely for dramatic purposes, making Sarah pregnant against her wishes (they did it precisely because she wasn't ready!), or putting Kiara together with a sociopath who tortured her friends.

It’s very difficult for me to wrap my head around this approach to storytelling. It feels like a kind of character cruelty—akin to animal cruelty, but in fiction. There seems to be a careless disregard for the characters’ emotional journeys, as though their pain and suffering exist only to serve as plot devices rather than anything meaningful. It's like a storytelling black hole: an overwhelming amount of information (crazy treasure hunting storylines, twists, and drama) gets sucked in, but nothing escapes in a way that holds meaning or leaves a lasting impression. Take Jiara, for example: all the energy and emotional intelligence that the fans put into this relationship, basically spinning a meaningful and unconventional story out of nothing, ultimately collapsed into an empty void, too. I want to be wrong, but...🙂

I would really love to talk to the writers, I'm not gonna lie! But it's going to be especially hard with all the angry fans besieging Netflix right now. 😄 I'm seriously planning to turn my ideas about Outer Banks into a full-blown scriptwriting exercise, though, and write my own version of seasons 4-5 because I haven’t written fiction for a while, and I really need to create my own canon. :D

Like I said before, I have very eclectic tastes (I can almost never predict why a particular show will resonate with me). I divide all of my favorite shows into two categories: those I also objectively admire and those that are just comfort shows (which I love nevertheless) to console me when I’m at my lowest. These lists include everything from Atlanta and I May Destroy You to a Spanish period drama. 😄

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls548384715/edit/?ref_=ls_ov

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls548481673/?ref_=uspf_t_2

Jasmine Blu

Saturday 23rd of November 2024

@Kalina, Yes!! I truly expected they were finally building up to the Kook vs Pogue community showdown!! I think I went into detail about that in my other piece 15 Reasons Outer Banks Season 4 Lost the Plot.

The Town Hall episode was the perfect set up for Kooks and pogues of all ages to really get into the thick of it because the Pogues were really worked up about them taking the kids' land. The entire community was in shambles about that. I was excited about the setup for that, and then it just never went anywhere. They even set it up with the tension between Rafe and the other Kooks etc etc. All those businesses destroyed. It was such a missed opportunity, I was stunned they didn't focus on that more, but maybe they will in Season 5? With JJ dead, he may be a bit of a folk hero now immortalized in the town as someone who this system failed.

I even though the thing with Kie's dad was interesting, especially because it finally clicked, especially for him as a MOC seeing cops literally shooting at these kids, his daughter included. But we were off to Morocco!

Outer Banks has all the raw material for a really great exploration of class divide and caste and it never gives those storylines the proper due. Instead of revisiting another shady dad arc, they could've just leaned into that more and involved the whole town more.

Goodness, I wish you wrote for the series. I love this because it still gives us much of the season professed to give us but infinitely better. The season could still be JJ's Season. It addresses and resolves a lot of that weird division amongst the Pogues and puts their friendship back at the center again and it definitely makes more sense of Luke. I hated that they didn't lean in enough to him being romantically involved with Larissa... but it would have given more context to Luke in the past. Because what they've done disrupts much of that.

I HATE pregnancy plots so much. So I'm still ehhhh about you switching it to Jiara instead of Jarah. But as I really sit with it, it would be more impactful for the kid who never had strong family or really knows what a good father is to face the complexities of possibly being one and the fear of not being enough etc. John B doesn't have that same issue because he was always close with his dad. A kid like JJ facing possible fatherhood is more compelling as he tries not to be like his own etc. It also circles back to Kiara making amends with her parents. And it parallels her own parents relationship with her father originally being a Pogue like JJ too and her mother being a Kook who chose him anyway.

And it definitely could set up Cleo's revenge in the fifth season and explore her character more, since every season has been heavy with one or two pogues being centered more.

Especially since there was a lot of emotional weight they put behind her losing her father figure.

But I especially love the idea of them actually leaning into and relying on their community to come through for them instead of constantly escaping and fleeing elsewhere and running from home.

It works with the reckoning Outer Banks is long overdue for with the classes. Final season should definitely recenter the Outer Banks as home.

So I love this! And it also goes back to what we were previously discussing about if they MUST argue that JJ's death had "meaning" because he realized in the end that the real treasure is the love friends and family bit, and we'd have to reconcile that the Pogues must keep losing because ascending in social ranks is realistically hard and rare... then them learning to embrace the community etc, and all of that as you said makes that point much stronger than the bleak notion they've done where it feels more like they're glamorizing poverty and struggle.

They need to get you in the writer's room!

What else do you watch? I love your analysis. 🙂💙

Kalina

Thursday 21st of November 2024

@Jasmine Blu,

Thank you for your reply—so many great points! I agree with all of them. I'm actually curious about Season 5 and will definitely be watching, but purely from a writing standpoint. I've been racking my brain over the plot and all the gaps and unanswered questions it left behind. One of the most frustrating aspects of this season is how glaringly incomplete it feels. So many storylines (like Luke's, for example) went nowhere because of this end-all ending.

Yeah, I strongly agree that it's almost impossible to make a death at 20 years old feel earned. But I'm surprised that even the creators admit that JJ's death was sort of pointless. Did they really underestimate it that much, how much people would care about his character and how important his storyline still felt to many fans?

I really enjoyed the whole court scene and JJ's little riot afterward. It was so well-done! But when I thought about that part as a whole later, I found myself frustrated again—it didn’t connect to any larger themes. Watching it for the first time, I was quietly hoping the show would finally give us the ultimate showdown between the Kooks and the Pogues, between the powerful and the community. It could have been such a satisfying full-circle moment tying back to the start of the series.

Instead, the story veered into this odd paternity storyline, with Groff suddenly appearing as some kind of "international man of mystery," accompanied by goofy mercenaries who felt completely disconnected from the Outer Banks and its core dynamics. And before we knew it, we were globe-trotting again.

One of my (rare) favorite moments in Part 2 was the scene where Kiara's dad finally stood up for her and refused to believe that JJ was a murderer. But even that moment didn’t feel earned at all. I’ve been waiting for a redeeming moment between Kie’s parents and JJ since Season 3, and I was really hopeful when I heard Madison Bailey mention that the parents would have more screen time in Part 2.

Unfortunately, even this storyline—which could have been so meaningful for both Kie and JJ—ended up being sidelined in favor of theatrics and endless wild goose chases. From what I’ve gathered in interviews, though, it seems like the writers are really into these high-octane, action-packed scenes...

One reason why I'm so frustrated with this show is that it's one of those rare instances when the writes could have gone into a literally any other direction (even with the same plot elements) and it could have been better than the final product.

For example, just a few tweaks to their storyline could make a huge difference: let's say that after betraying JJ, Luke immediately tries to redeem himself by revealing his true parentage, seeking to make amends. Luke is the real father of JJ because he had a romantic relationship with JJ’s mom after all (it was even hinted at in the show!). But she wasn’t ready to leave her husband for a life on the Cut. Then Groff kills her, but she manages to get JJ to Luke. This would explain so much about Luke's anger toward the Kooks and even the line he uses in earlier seasons about seeing JJ’s mother in him. I would also make Groff the ultimate Kook, someone from an old rich family but with his own unique set of skeletons.

Then, let's say Luke and JJ try to tell Wes the truth, but Groff kills Wes and frames them somehow. Now JJ is accused of murder and has to rely on the Pogues to get him out of this situation.

As for the pregnancy storylines, I honestly think it would have much more meaning for JJ and Kiara. Although I’m usually not a fan of pregnancy subplots, it works here because it forces JJ to take responsibility and mature. It also provides Kiara with a strong reason to reconcile with her parents, further evolving her character.

At the story’s end, JJ inherits Goat Island after all. But it turns out that, in his second will—the one Groff had no idea of—Wes actually wished for the island to be turned into a nature reserve. The Pogues end up “losing” the island in a way (although Kiara is thrilled by this as an ecology lover).

Then you just leave the bad guys chasing after the amulet for season 5, setting in motion a new chain of events that leads to Cleo’s revenge arc (that would be such a great opportunity to explore her character in more detail) and possibly even the mysterious Blue Crown. Eventually, season 5 could bring the Pogues back to Outer Banks, where an ongoing, long, and tedious judicial process revolves around their property. But this battle isn’t over yet. Here, they will finally learn to trust their community rather than run from it. This will be the moment when they realize that true strength comes not from isolation, but from the connections they’ve built with those around them. This journey of growth and reconciliation will beautifully tie up all of their character arcs, showing that while they’ve faced numerous challenges alone, their greatest triumph comes when they embrace the support of others.

The end. :)

This version is still sort of ridiculous but it fixes a few things:

- Adds complexity to Luke’s character and clarifies his motivations.

- Fixes the implausibility of Wes supposedly knowing JJ was his grandson while suspecting nothing about Groff.

- The pregnancy storyline would add genuine weight to JJ and Kiara’s character growth.

- JJ’s wrongful arrest serves as a satisfying callback to his season 2 foreshadowing. When JJ says he’ll end up in prison someday, it’s not just a prediction—it becomes a pivotal plot point. This time, instead of running from the consequences, JJ chooses to trust his friends and girlfriend to help clear his name, showing significant growth. It also mirrors John B's prison storyline from earlier seasons, reinforcing the theme of solidarity among the Pogues.

- JJ's journey of self-discovery through his true parentage aligns with his growth into fatherhood. As he unravels his past and learns about his biological parents, JJ must confront his identity, preparing him for the responsibility of fatherhood. This subplot would feel like a natural progression in his character arc.

- The Groff vs. Pogues showdown adds depth to the villain and heightens the stakes. Groff’s backstory as a villain could be explored in more detail, offering an interesting layer to his character.

I just feel that after season 4, there aren’t many possibilities to make the ending truly satisfying—unless they resurrect JJ with the Blue Crown somehow and finally resolve his character arc!

"See, for me, it often felt like they didn’t know how many seasons they’d ever get of this show, and instead of properly mapping a full plan they could adjust with each renewal, they flew by the seat of their pants every season."

It really feels like the writers are just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks, rather than having a solid, planned-out vision. And when they talk about their characters and their development, I often get the impression that they’re just ticking boxes off a storytelling checklist.

This quote from Burke totally supports this theory: "We definitely don’t have elaborate outlines. We more so have a 'no boring episodes' philosophy and just keep it going. We’ll have a general idea about where we’re going and it usually gets there. Maybe not always, but how that happens and how we’ll end up implementing those ideas are pretty much on the fly, and it’s just feeling the juice in each scene, in each episode. It’s more like a lot of spur-of-the-moment decisions."

Jasmine Blu

Thursday 21st of November 2024

@Kalina, Honestly, thank you for the comment, Kalina. It's a breath of fresh air.

YES! I agree that you could tell they got a bigger budget, so we got some great cinematography this season (that horrible color gradient issue aside). The Morocco content was beautiful -- the scenary and all. And yes, Rudy's performance was great because he had a lot of heavier content to work with this season. The "Light it up" destruction of the town has been lauded, and I get it. The shift from the discord at the town meeting to that almost Joker-esque vandalization sequence was great. I totally get the praise, but oof.

"I’m starting to suspect that the writers never actually saw it that way and took it a little too seriously."

YES. I agree with his wholeheartedly!There's a defining disconnect between what viewers thought they were getting with the series and what the writers etc felt they were making, and that definitely was apparent by season three.

See, for me, it often felt like they didn't know how many seasons they'd ever get of this show, and instead of properly mapping a full plan they could adjust with each renewal, they flew by the seat of their pants every season.

I don't care what they say about supposed plans and certain plots always being in the cards, I can't say I believe them, because the setup for some of these "written in the stars" plans were abysmal.

JJ's character development was abhorrent this season. You're right, they veered so far from what they had established. JJ was impulsive but loyal, and he did have more of an intuition and emotional intelligence than we've seen from John B. But that's where it felt like they sacrificed JJ's character development to prop up John B's mostly to serve this ridiculous expectant father plot.

JJ in Season 4 wasn't even a matter of stunting his growth -- at times it was active regression for the character or OOC "because Plot" moments for him that didn't even make any sense. I can't even say he was stalled because there were things about him this season that flat out didn't seem like something he'd do or be. And yes, it undid all the progress made through the first two and half seasons.

It made no sense that in season 4, the most loyal and devoted Pogue who actually saw them as a family and did whatever it took to maintain that would have any sort of doubts about his friends being his family or feel this displaced or lost. It didn't make sense that he would disregard them so much or treat them horribly. They literally went out of their way to dismantle his character for the sole purpose of him "redeeming" himself in the end and dying, and it was unnecessary.

The boat self-destruction scenes were so infuriating because it clashed against so much of what we've known and expected from him. Why would he ever revert to anything that reminded him of Luke? As the Pogue protector, knowing that Rafe was on the boat too, why would he ever let his guard down or push his friends away? All that drinking, and as you said, Kiara not stopping him or making a bigger deal about it? None of it rang true.

The tone-deafness with Pope and the officer has always been a frustrating thing with this series. I always found it interesting how they tried to course correct the very serious tone deafness and blindness with the racial component in how they depicted Pope and Kiara and the things they'd allow them to do which would never happen in other realms.

But yes! That's one of the most infuriating aspects of JJ's death and how they've been speaking about it afterward. They've somehow managed to glamorize his death as some great sacrifice, or push this notion that there's something meaningful and poignant about someone who has endured everything that he has ending up dead. It's like self-congratulatory poverty and trauma porn. It really is gross, that the narrative somehow becomes that the only fate for someone like JJ is prison or death. But let's celebrate that "he lived a full life and find happiness and love with his friends/family and Kiara" as if there's a silverlining to a dead 20 year old. There's nothing meaningful or beautiful about that!

The Riverdale comparison is so right! One thing I always appreciated about Riverdale was how fearless it was in leaning into its crazy. They committed to it, obliterated through boxes in the process, and it made for great television.

OBX keeps cherry picking what it wants to be and then hiding behind select categories at any criticism. When people talked about how unrealistic things were, they got to point at the supernatural tones. When people are reaching for supernatural qualities or angry about the deaths, they're tauting "realism" like they weren't a fun, silly beach show.

They introduced the Gerrette Curse, one of many times they've hinted at the supernatural, and they should've just committed to it. It would be so much fun if they did, and we'd go right along with it, because at its core, this was always a fun, adventure show about underdogs and friendship, and this would give us that.

I feel the same about Kiara and Rafe. It bothers me that they'll even tease the idea of skating past all that Rafe has done just to put him on the side of the Pogues, and I always have a hard time with pairings that have been rooted in unspeakable violence and trauma. While Rafe did seem like he had some sort of attraction to Kiara, he has also constantly hurt her, threatened her, terrorized her, and terrified her. Save it for the fanfic, because pairing them together with this writing based on everything we saw thus far... no thank you.

I'm not saying I won't be tuning into the final season. I'm committed enough to the series where I want to see it through. But I'm with you... it sounds boring. We already can anticipate what to expect. The revenge tour is frustrating when they didn't even execute this whole JJ storyline and death well in the first place, ruining his character and his relationship with everyone in the process. We know John B and Sarah will have the baby, probably a girl, and name her JJ. Pope will probably finally make it to college. They'll somehow get Groff. Yada yada... there's no real hook that I can forsee.

I'm mildly curious by how they intend to wrap up the series in eight-ten episodes -- how will they somehow drag out finding Groff and getting revenge. And where does that leave everyone for the close? But I'm not clamoring for more as soon as possible.

Thank you for this comment! I love your perspective here and the great points you raised, and damn if I don't wish you were somehow in the writer's room. Maybe you could salvage this and pull something impressive off in the final season. Because so far, I've had more fun chatting with you about the issues and what they should've done than I am thinking about the final season and what's next.

Rea

Friday 15th of November 2024

We need revenge for JJ legacy bring on seasons 5

Jasmine Blu

Wednesday 20th of November 2024

@Rea, Revenge appears to be the agenda for season 5, so it'll be interesting to see how that'll play out. I guess it's a good thing Rafe is on their side now.

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